Sunday, February 13, 2022

Transcript: Michael Parenti re a battle of the bands: Chomsky & the Cherrypickers vs the Conspiracy Theorists!

 

There are even some on the left, like Noam Chomsky  and Alexander Coburn, who argue that this  whole interest in the assassination  comes from a Kennedy revival, a Camelot  yearning, the yearning for lost messiah.  I'm giving quotes these are quotes right  from Chomsky,  Coburn and Chomsky and others. They  challenged the notion that Kennedy was  assassinated  for intending to withdraw from Vietnam  or undo the CIA or the cold war.  These things could not have led to his  downfall because they were not true.  Kennedy was a cold-warrior, a  counter-insurgent who wanted a military  withdrawal from Vietnam only with  victory.  

I have argued similarly, in my book  Democracy For the Few, that, in fact, indeed, Kennedy was a cold warrior and a  counterinsurgent  and that he should not be romanticized  as a progressive.  Chomsky Coburn and others claim that the  change of administration that came with  JFK's assassination had no large scale  effect on policy  not even on tactics. In other words if  Kennedy had lived he likely would have  fabricated a Tonkin gulf  casus belli, he would have introduced  ground troops in a massive land war  as Lyndon Johnson did. He would have  engaged in the merciless b-52 carpet  bombings  of Laos Cambodia and Vietnam as Richard  Nixon did. He would have risked  destroying  his own electoral base proving himself a  mass murderer as bad as Nixon.  

Chomsky and Coburn don't tell us how  they know that. All we know  is the one surviving Kennedy, Robert  Kennedy in fact went a different way.  He became an anti-war critic, he opposed  the war, he broke with the Johnson  administration  and he said that his brother's  administration, his administration had  committed terrible mistakes. The evidence  we do have in fact is that John Kennedy  observed Cambodian neutrality  and negotiated a ceasefire and coalition  government in Laos,  which the CIA refused to honor. They  preferred to back a right-wing faction  that continued the war.  

Chomsky says much about troop withdrawal and all that  but he says very little about troop  escalation, other than to offer Roger  Hillman’s speculation  that Kennedy might well have introduced   U.S. troops ground troops in south  Vietnam.  Maybe so, maybe not. In fact, the same  Hillman noted in the new York times not  long ago--and Chomsky doesn't note it--that in 1963 Kennedy was the only person  in his administration  who opposed the introduction of  U.S.  ground troops. He was the only thing  preventing an escalation of the war.  Forget the question of withdrawal not  withdrawal  he was a barrier in that sense.  

 Whether or not there are certain left  analysts who think  Kennedy was or wasn't a progressive or  liberal and thinks that  the CIA had no reason to kill him or  other people had no reason to be  dissatisfied him, the fact is do they see it that way?  You know entrenched interests are  notorious for not seeing the world the  same way  that left analysts do [audience laughs].  

 In 1963 people in right-wing circles,  including elements in various  intelligence organizations did not  believe that Kennedy could be trusted  with the nation's future.  Some months ago on a San Francisco talk  show I heard a guy come on  uh it was on KGO, and he said—“I’ve never  said this before,  I never said it, it's the first time I’m  saying it--but I worked for army  intelligence  and, uh, in 1963, I was in Japan, and ...the accepted word around then was  that Kennedy would be killed because he  was messing too much with the  intelligence community.  And when word came of his death, we were all I could hear were  delighted comments like ‘We got the  bastard!’”  

 Well, JFK's enemies saw something was  what they saw was something different  from what  Chomsky and Coburn have seen: they fixed  on Kennedy’s refusal to provide air  coverage the Bay of Pigs,  his refusal to go in with  U.S. forces, his  unwillingness to launch another invasion  of Cuba,  his no-invasion guarantee to Khrushchev  on Cuba,  his atmospheric test ban treaty with  Moscow, his American University speech  calling for a re-examination  of our cold war attitudes toward the  soviet union, his unwillingness to send  ground forces  in a massive form into Vietnam, his  anti-trust suit against General Electric,  his fight with  U.S. steel over price  increases, his challenge to the Federal  Reserve Board,  his warm reception at labor conventions,  his call for racial equality and  responsiveness  to civil rights leaders (reluctant  responsiveness),  his talk of moving forward in a new  frontier.  

 Erwin Knoll, the progressive, says that he  admits he has no idea who killed Kennedy  but this doesn't keep him from asserting  that the Oliver Stone film was  manipulative and that Stone provided  false answers! How do you know that, Erwin,  if you have no idea who killed Kennedy?  

 And the remarkable thing about Erwin  Knoll and Noam Chomsky  and Alexander Coburn is they don't know  a damn thing about  the criticisms and investigation that's  been made. We've said this again and  again  in the rebuttals in the exchange in the  nation: every almost every one of them  said  Alexander Coburn doesn't know anything  about this case. He doesn't know  anything about Lee Harvey Oswald, really  doesn't know. Just some of the questions  I brought up,  they don't know any and they never deny  it. They never say anything, they go on  with their with their patronizing  comments--well  Chomsky patronization and condescension,  Coburn with vitriol and venom.

 They go on  attacking those who supposedly are  idealizing  Kennedy. Irwin Knoll shows he's flexible,  though:  he says he allows that the Warren  Commission did a hasty,  slipshod job of investigation.  I disagree: the commission did a  brilliant job of investigation. It sat for 51 long sessions  over a period of several months, much  longer than most major investigations.  It compiled 26 volumes of testimony and  evidence. It had the investigative  resources of the FBI and CIA at its command.  Far from being hasty and slipshod, it  painstakingly crafted theories  that moved toward its foreordained  conclusion:  that Oswald was the assassin. It framed  an argument  and moved unfailingly to fulfill that  argument.  It failed to call witnesses who saw  something different from what it wanted  to hear,  who saw, who not only heard but who saw,  people on the grassy knoll  shooting. It failed to call them, it  ignored or reinterpreted what little  conflicting testimony that did creep  into its proceedings.  All this took deliberate effort,  it was carefully crafted, painstakingly. A  hasty, slipshod investigation would show  traces of randomness in its errors,  some would go this way some would go  that way, but the commission's  distortions  consistently move in the same direction  in pursuit of a prefigured hypothesis.  

 The gullible  U.S. public that Erwin Knoll  talks about (Knoll condemns Oliver Stone for playing on  the gullibility  of the American people)--see he's not  gullible, he's cool; he doesn't fall for this, he's so cool he  didn't even go see the movie.  You see the  U.S. public  has not bought the official explanation,  78 percent say they believe there was a  conspiracy,  and both Chomsky and Coburn,  Coburn in the nation Chomsky in z  magazine, and again in the letter in  exchange with me,  both of them dismissed that fact and  point out  the same identical analog: they point out  that,  in fact, over 70% of people also believe  in miracles,  so what does that prove? And what does  that got to do with the question at hand?  That people can have a stupid opinion  about one thing doesn't mean they're  stupid about everything;  in fact Chomsky and Coburn are  themselves evidence of that.  In any case, the comparison is between  two different things,  they're comparing the public's  gullibility about miracles with the  public's unwillingness to be gullible  about the official lineup of being fed  and shoved in their faces for 30 years.  That's not gullibility at all  [applause].  

 Coburn and Noam Chomsky  have told us that we must not reduce  great developments in history to  conspiracy,  for then we lose sight of institution,  class, and other systemic factors of  American capitalism. I don't need them to  tell me about systemic factors in  American capitalism; I use a structural  analysis in all my writings.  But investigating the JFK conspiracy, we  are not looking for an escape from  something unpleasant and difficult--that's psychiatrist Noam Chomsky  speaking. But we're hitting upon the  nature of state  power in what is supposed to be a  democracy.  Conspiracy is not something that's in contradistinction  to structural analysis, it is part of it.  

 These guys will use conspiracy,  they will use legitimacy, they will  finance elections, they will use  publicity campaigns,  they will set up liberal-ish  organizations, they will set up  alternative trade union movements, they  will use assassins and death squads...they  will use every single conceivable thing  there is.  And this was one of the things they used  when they had someone who was giving  them trouble, when they had someone who  was standing in their path, because he  was a little too bright and too shiny.  

 When they had an agenda to save  Southeast Asia from communism,  they would kill one of their own and  that is a tremendous revelation--it was a startling revelation to the  American public, to make them realize  what kind of a gangster government and  national security state we really have  in this country and what it does around  the world.